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		<title>Comment on LGBT Catholics have a Pope!!! by tomfluce</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 22:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I said in Face Book, Brother Bergoglio is part of the conservative dominant force in the hierarchy who has followed the two previous popes.  His solution for poverty is not a solution.  Yes, if the church lived more modestly we might be able to give more to &quot;charity&quot;.  But JUSTICE, non-violent and humble, is what is needed to redress systemic injustice.  Check Brother Oscar Romero as a leader in social justice.  Speaking out the truth about the murderous, greedy dictators, promoting organizing of the poor to form just economics.  Brother Bergoglio is no compromise pope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said in Face Book, Brother Bergoglio is part of the conservative dominant force in the hierarchy who has followed the two previous popes.  His solution for poverty is not a solution.  Yes, if the church lived more modestly we might be able to give more to &#8220;charity&#8221;.  But JUSTICE, non-violent and humble, is what is needed to redress systemic injustice.  Check Brother Oscar Romero as a leader in social justice.  Speaking out the truth about the murderous, greedy dictators, promoting organizing of the poor to form just economics.  Brother Bergoglio is no compromise pope.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LGBT Catholics have a Pope!!! by Give Francis A Chancis! &#124; The Popeable Sock Puppet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Give Francis A Chancis! &#124; The Popeable Sock Puppet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] hope for the guy even though his attitudes towards homosexuality are archaic and outdated. The Rainbow Sash Movement said it best: this pope is bringing &#8220;a change not in doctrine, but in tone&#8221;. The Church [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hope for the guy even though his attitudes towards homosexuality are archaic and outdated. The Rainbow Sash Movement said it best: this pope is bringing &#8220;a change not in doctrine, but in tone&#8221;. The Church [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rainbow Sash Movement Calls for National Public Dialogue with Dignity and New Ways Ministry by tomfluce</title>
		<link>http://rainbowsashmovement.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/rainbow-sash-movement-calls-for-national-public-dialogue-with-dignity-and-new-ways-ministry/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomfluce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear colleagues,  

As a relatively new activist with LGBT advocacy, I don&#039;t expect much attention to what seems to me to be the next level of involvement with the church by LGBT&#039;s and their reportedly majority of catholic allies.  

Your call to dialog with the other LGBT advocates does touch directly on what seems to me to be that next level.  I do understand in the short time (out in 2000 in Vermont see ) I&#039;ve been pitching into LGBT advocacy that RSM has been criticized for its approach, apparently the aggressive moves it has made directly in cathedrals and the like.  Some tell me the language of RSM has been too attacking.  I don&#039;t know the facts.  

But what does seem to me imperative, out of my understanding of truth-seeking-telling, that the church needs people of conscience to stand up for their beliefs and when necessary what is needed is church disobedience/non-violent direct action--always in a loving, caring, positive way. This level of direct involvement with the church seems to be what RSM is promoting and acting on.  

What I&#039;ve come up with is the notion of what I call &quot;The Galileo Reconciliation Commission&quot; (GRC).  I don&#039;t see Brother Ratzinger&#039;s retirement as a potential for Brother Roncalli-like window opening.  In fact I think that any new Pope will simply continue on Brother Ratzinger&#039;s and Brother Wojtala&#039;s violent conservative rule (Brother Matthew Fox calls it a &quot;war&quot;, a &quot;schism&quot;).  The potential for Brother Turkson to be elected would only worsen things for us LGBT&#039;s.  Instead of failure or weakness, this pope&#039;s resignation is an astute act of perseverance for his conservative convictions, assuring his witness of his accomplishments.

So I see those of us with such difficult issues of dissent continuing to be persecuted notwithstanding all the &quot;All Our Children&quot; type tolerance and the DADT situations in many parishes.  Our dissent has to take a second row to married priests (I&#039;m one of those), women priests, church governance and the other &quot;easy&quot; issues.  Ours is doctrinal.  But I&#039;m asking for all people with dissent to dig in, lovingly, and by speaking out, by standing up/down, with the moral strength of our convictions, and move our opponents to a loving, respectful position as well. Moving to this new level is not at all to deny or put down the wonderful work of all the groups like Dignity, New Ways, etc. etc.  In fact it is their work that has prepared the way to this new level.

The idea of the Galileo Reconciliation Commission (GRC) is to assemble all the values from ecumenical theology within the church and treat internal dissenters with a minimum of recognition. No more excommunication, denunciations, no more firings.   I think a basic principle should be &quot;to do the least harm&quot;.  No more inflammatory pronouncements, at least footnotes to the catechism that the whole church recognizes dissent on these issues.  The history of the crusades, the witch-hunts, persecution of the Galileo&#039;s--unchristian--should be ended in our age. 

The GRC will only have an impact from the sheer weight of dissenters of good faith, and who eschew calling names and disrespecting their opponents .  None of the watered down post Vat II mechanisms and canon law--collegiality, laypersons councils, etc. etc--will ever touch this stuff.  O.K. I was slow to come to the conclusion that what was wrong with many church teachings would never be changed given the politics post Vat II bringing back the pre-Vat II regime of male hierarchs.  I got married in 1970 (ordained in Rome in 1963, S.T.L. from the Gregorian, residence at the North American College) thinking the thousands of us pushing for this change would actually get some respectful attention. I have not succeeded in populating a seminary with one single male replacement.  I went about my &quot;vocation&quot; in social justice without getting involved in church politics.  So to that extent I have to accept the conservative takeover as partly my fault.  Now, though, if the reports are true that a great majority of people in the pews of our parishes accept LGBTs, then direct action has to be seen as a moral duty.

Thank you RSM for your witness!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear colleagues,  </p>
<p>As a relatively new activist with LGBT advocacy, I don&#8217;t expect much attention to what seems to me to be the next level of involvement with the church by LGBT&#8217;s and their reportedly majority of catholic allies.  </p>
<p>Your call to dialog with the other LGBT advocates does touch directly on what seems to me to be that next level.  I do understand in the short time (out in 2000 in Vermont see ) I&#8217;ve been pitching into LGBT advocacy that RSM has been criticized for its approach, apparently the aggressive moves it has made directly in cathedrals and the like.  Some tell me the language of RSM has been too attacking.  I don&#8217;t know the facts.  </p>
<p>But what does seem to me imperative, out of my understanding of truth-seeking-telling, that the church needs people of conscience to stand up for their beliefs and when necessary what is needed is church disobedience/non-violent direct action&#8211;always in a loving, caring, positive way. This level of direct involvement with the church seems to be what RSM is promoting and acting on.  </p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve come up with is the notion of what I call &#8220;The Galileo Reconciliation Commission&#8221; (GRC).  I don&#8217;t see Brother Ratzinger&#8217;s retirement as a potential for Brother Roncalli-like window opening.  In fact I think that any new Pope will simply continue on Brother Ratzinger&#8217;s and Brother Wojtala&#8217;s violent conservative rule (Brother Matthew Fox calls it a &#8220;war&#8221;, a &#8220;schism&#8221;).  The potential for Brother Turkson to be elected would only worsen things for us LGBT&#8217;s.  Instead of failure or weakness, this pope&#8217;s resignation is an astute act of perseverance for his conservative convictions, assuring his witness of his accomplishments.</p>
<p>So I see those of us with such difficult issues of dissent continuing to be persecuted notwithstanding all the &#8220;All Our Children&#8221; type tolerance and the DADT situations in many parishes.  Our dissent has to take a second row to married priests (I&#8217;m one of those), women priests, church governance and the other &#8220;easy&#8221; issues.  Ours is doctrinal.  But I&#8217;m asking for all people with dissent to dig in, lovingly, and by speaking out, by standing up/down, with the moral strength of our convictions, and move our opponents to a loving, respectful position as well. Moving to this new level is not at all to deny or put down the wonderful work of all the groups like Dignity, New Ways, etc. etc.  In fact it is their work that has prepared the way to this new level.</p>
<p>The idea of the Galileo Reconciliation Commission (GRC) is to assemble all the values from ecumenical theology within the church and treat internal dissenters with a minimum of recognition. No more excommunication, denunciations, no more firings.   I think a basic principle should be &#8220;to do the least harm&#8221;.  No more inflammatory pronouncements, at least footnotes to the catechism that the whole church recognizes dissent on these issues.  The history of the crusades, the witch-hunts, persecution of the Galileo&#8217;s&#8211;unchristian&#8211;should be ended in our age. </p>
<p>The GRC will only have an impact from the sheer weight of dissenters of good faith, and who eschew calling names and disrespecting their opponents .  None of the watered down post Vat II mechanisms and canon law&#8211;collegiality, laypersons councils, etc. etc&#8211;will ever touch this stuff.  O.K. I was slow to come to the conclusion that what was wrong with many church teachings would never be changed given the politics post Vat II bringing back the pre-Vat II regime of male hierarchs.  I got married in 1970 (ordained in Rome in 1963, S.T.L. from the Gregorian, residence at the North American College) thinking the thousands of us pushing for this change would actually get some respectful attention. I have not succeeded in populating a seminary with one single male replacement.  I went about my &#8220;vocation&#8221; in social justice without getting involved in church politics.  So to that extent I have to accept the conservative takeover as partly my fault.  Now, though, if the reports are true that a great majority of people in the pews of our parishes accept LGBTs, then direct action has to be seen as a moral duty.</p>
<p>Thank you RSM for your witness!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pope Benedict XVI to Resign by Here&#8217;s a news flash for you: the Catholic Church can&#8217;t change</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a news flash for you: the Catholic Church can&#8217;t change]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 19:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the next papacy?” Countless groups issued press releases clamoring for a “progressive” pope. The Rainbow Sash Movement called for the next pope to stop emphasizing “purity.” The Women’s Ordination Conference announced it would hold vigils and raise pink smoke to raise [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the next papacy?” Countless groups issued press releases clamoring for a “progressive” pope. The Rainbow Sash Movement called for the next pope to stop emphasizing “purity.” The Women’s Ordination Conference announced it would hold vigils and raise pink smoke to raise [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Archbishop Niensted Promotes Bigotry In Minnesota by Marcy Muchow new Ulm. Mn</title>
		<link>http://rainbowsashmovement.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/archbishop-niensted-promotes-bigotry-in-minnesota/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcy Muchow new Ulm. Mn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 03:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I strongly believe the bishop should step down from his office. No wonder people are leaving the church. I voted no and I&#039;m a catholic. Teaching the religion for 11 years]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly believe the bishop should step down from his office. No wonder people are leaving the church. I voted no and I&#8217;m a catholic. Teaching the religion for 11 years</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Gay Priest Suspended by tazman42</title>
		<link>http://rainbowsashmovement.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/open-gay-priest-suspended/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tazman42]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 06:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We will be more than happy to give him faculties and incardnte him in our Old Catholic Dioceses of St. John the Divine, in the USA. Abbot - Ordinary + Neil , c.s.e.f. Single, Married gay or Strieght; we do not discriminate! 

Peace &amp; Joy, 

Neil 

&gt;________________________________ &gt; From: Rainbow Sash Movement  &gt;To: fr.neil38@rocketmail.com  &gt;Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 1:09 PM &gt;Subject: [New post] Open Gay Priest Suspended &gt;   &gt;  WordPress.com  &gt;Rainbow Sash Movement posted: &quot;(Chicago, Illinois., Sep 21, 2012 â€“ Rainbow Movement News) Archbishop Jose H. Gomez of Los Angeles has suspended as a priest Father Joseph Palacios from ministry over his promotion of same-sex â€œmarriage.â€� Fr. Palacios is one of the Co-founders of â€&quot;   &gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will be more than happy to give him faculties and incardnte him in our Old Catholic Dioceses of St. John the Divine, in the USA. Abbot &#8211; Ordinary + Neil , c.s.e.f. Single, Married gay or Strieght; we do not discriminate! </p>
<p>Peace &amp; Joy, </p>
<p>Neil </p>
<p>&gt;________________________________ &gt; From: Rainbow Sash Movement  &gt;To: <a href="mailto:fr.neil38@rocketmail.com">fr.neil38@rocketmail.com</a>  &gt;Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 1:09 PM &gt;Subject: [New post] Open Gay Priest Suspended &gt;   &gt;  WordPress.com  &gt;Rainbow Sash Movement posted: &#8220;(Chicago, Illinois., Sep 21, 2012 â€“ Rainbow Movement News) Archbishop Jose H. Gomez of Los Angeles has suspended as a priest Father Joseph Palacios from ministry over his promotion of same-sex â€œmarriage.â€� Fr. Palacios is one of the Co-founders of â€&#8221;   &gt;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Archbishop Dolan on Human Dignity What a Fallacy by PeppyHare</title>
		<link>http://rainbowsashmovement.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/archbishop-dolan-on-human-dignity-what-a-fallacy/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PeppyHare]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Human dignity dictates that women should be ordained. . .&quot;

Wow.  Are you retarded?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Human dignity dictates that women should be ordained. . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  Are you retarded?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Whats Happening Over at ETWN and Trinity Broadcasting??? by JILL HUNTER SOUTH AFRICA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JILL HUNTER SOUTH AFRICA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i fully agree stop always finding fault with everyone, instead pray for them and we will pray for those who always find fault with everyone but themselves]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i fully agree stop always finding fault with everyone, instead pray for them and we will pray for those who always find fault with everyone but themselves</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rainbow Sash Movement challenges San Francisco New Archbishop on Bigotry by Richard Goldperson</title>
		<link>http://rainbowsashmovement.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/795/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Goldperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 01:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cordileone will be installed Oct. 4, the feast day for St. Francis of Assisi, for whom San Francisco is named.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/New-S-F-archbishop-appointed-by-pope-3740657.php#ixzz23Zc4eoUJ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cordileone will be installed Oct. 4, the feast day for St. Francis of Assisi, for whom San Francisco is named.</p>
<p>Read more: <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/New-S-F-archbishop-appointed-by-pope-3740657.php#ixzz23Zc4eoUJ" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/New-S-F-archbishop-appointed-by-pope-3740657.php#ixzz23Zc4eoUJ</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on In Opposing the Right to Same-Sex Marriage, Catholic Leadership Opposes Laity and Wider Public by Peter Hanh Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Hanh Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God Bless Cardinal George and all the Bishops and Priests who defend the true definition of marriage. They are defenders of truth who are not afraid. Truth is not a matter of opinion, of what we make it to be. Truth is constant, unchanging and not subject to the whims of the majority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God Bless Cardinal George and all the Bishops and Priests who defend the true definition of marriage. They are defenders of truth who are not afraid. Truth is not a matter of opinion, of what we make it to be. Truth is constant, unchanging and not subject to the whims of the majority.</p>
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